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Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Q&A
Q: If an Aspiring Champion is marked with the free "Undivided Mark" does his whole squad get to re-roll morale checks, or would the benefit apply only to independent characters or Aspiring Champions who were the last man in the squad? A: The effect would apply to the whole squad (in effect he is the model taking the test and the rest of the men follow his lead). Q: The Rhino entry lists the Havoc Missile Launcher as an option. The description of the Havoc says it can only be taken by dreadnoughts. Which is right? A: The army list entry always takes precedence, so the Rhino can have the Havoc upgrade. Q: Daemon Princes can take psychic powers. Two of the powers require shooting To Hit rolls. A Daemon Prince is BS 0. Should he never take those two powers, limiting him to being Slaaneshi or Nurglesk if he wants powers or is there a typo on the BS? A: Good point, and not something that came up in playtesting. This was addressed in White Dwarf 234 (US ed.). When using a psychic power, they are counted as having a BS of 3. Q: Only Independent Characters can take bikes. The Wargear entry for bikes says that "Characters that have a Retinue...may only be given a bike if all the models in the unit also have bikes." In a Retinue, the only characters other than the Lord will all be Aspiring Champion, who are never Independent Characters. This means that a Lord with a Retinue can never have a bike. How does this reconcile? A: This is an example of a 'boots and braces' rule format. Basically, when we write books we often get caught out by some sections getting changed, and this not following through to other bits (the problems with vehicle upgrades are a good example of this). So we'll put a rule like this in as a fail-safe, in case stuff gets added to to other sections of the book later on. In this case the fail-safe is redundant, but that's why it’s there. Q: A ruling had been made previously that Obliterators could still have storm bolters but other references to them should now be combi-bolters. The Rhino entry has Storm Bolter as the weapon. It can get a pintle mounted combi-bolter. This means a Rhino can have both types? Should the Storm Bolter it comes with be a Combi-bolter? A: Sorry, it should be a combi-bolter. Q: Does a Chaos Lord get any of the benefits of the squad type his Retinue is? Examples: A Lord with the Mark of Khorne, Nurgle, or Slaanesh has a retinue of Berzerkers, Plague Marines, or Noise Marines. All these troop types are Fearless. The Lord is not. Can he run out of his Retinue (while they stay where they are) if they, for example, lose a combat? A Lord with the Mark of Chaos Undivided gets Veterans. Veterans can infiltrate. Can he go with them? Can they infiltrate without him? A Lord with the Mark of Tzeentch gets Thousand Sons. They cannot Assault. Can he? A: The Chaos Lord and the squad don't 'share' any special abilities, so a Lord leading a Fearless retinue is not fearless himself, the Veterans don't allow the Lord to infiltrate (as stated under Veterans), and the Thousand Sons still can't assault. Note that the Lord and his retinue are a single unit, so if one of them can't do something, then none of them can. The only real problem that occurs is with the fearless rule, where you can get a situation where a model in a unit has to take a morale check while the unit he is a part of doesn't. In this case the Lord must check, and if he fails he will fall back (just assume he realizes he can best serve his masters by surviving the battle), and the rest of the unit will have to fall back with him. Q: Under Chaos Space Marine Bikers the weapons option says the rider is armed with bolt pistol OR close combat weapon. Should this be AND, not OR? If this is not an error, what is the point? Both the bolt pistol and close combat weapon do _identical_ things in hand to hand combat (entitle the user to fight), yet a bolt pistol can also be used to shoot. There is no point value difference, so there would never, ever, be a reason to take close combat weapons over pistols. A: It's in for WYSIWYG fanatics. Q: Daemon Princes can get Chaos Gifts. Really? They can ride discs, Juggers, and Steeds of Slaanesh? Fire Doom Sirens? Toss Blight Grenades? A: Yes. Daemon Princes in a Chaos Space Marine army can be Chaos Space Marines that have received many gifts from their patron gods. Q: Terminators normally do not have access to grenade types, but can get Blight Grenades as they are gifts. Can they actually use them? A: Strictly by the rules, as they can get them, yes. Q: How long does the -1 to hit from Blight Grenades last? A: It only counts on the turn of the charge. Q: Can an Aspiring Champion in a Plague Marine Squad get Blight Grenades at +3 points or does he have to pay 15 points for them? The only reason it seemed questionable at all is that other grenade types are the same points for a squad member as they are for a character who takes them from the Armory listings. A: The Aspiring Champion must pay 15 points. The ability to tool up a character makes certain items of wargear much more dangerous in their hands than it would be for the members of a squad. Q: I take a squad of thee Chaos Bikers. I upgrade one to an Aspiring Champion. What are my options for the champion's bike weapons: a) no bike weapon upgrades
are possible A: b) is the option we use. In effect a character gets his squad’s wargear for free, but can take any upgrades available to characters for it. Otherwise you'd have to re-buy Terminator armour for Terminator Sergeants that took character Terminator weapon upgrades, etc. Q: In a scenario which uses Sustained Attack how would Daemon Packs be recycled? A: They would appear as described in the rules for Sustained Assault. Q: If a Chaos player has all his characters in Rhinos when it comes time to roll for Greater Daemon possession, what happens: a) The Daemon cannot enter
the mortal realm that turn A: The answer is b. Q: If the answer to the above is (and, oddly enough, it was!) b: a) The Daemon is destroyed by
the enclosure of the Rhino (since Greater Daemons cannot get in a
vehicle) A: The answer is b again. Just assume the guy lurches out as he feels the change coming on him. Q: Is the -1 Leadership penalty for psychic tests imposed by the Talisman of Tzeentch cumulative, or is the penalty at most -1 no matter how many characters have this gift? A: The maximum penalty is -1. Q: The article on Cult Terminators (in White Dwarf) says that the player can upgrade his terminators to Khorne Berzerkers or Plague Marines or... This seems to be intentional wording beyond what could have been, for example, "..may upgrade his terminators with a mark of Nurgle.." or"may reward them as followers of Nurgle, giving +1 Toughness.." The point is that this would mean a Chaos Lord with the Mark of Nurgle should be able to take Plague Marines in terminator armor as troops just like he can take Plague Marines in power armor as troops. I have to confess that since the upgrade was 20pts per this seemed pretty reasonable to me. Is this correct? A: That is correct. Basically you get to use the stats (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines, with the save, equipment and upgrades of the Terminators. Q: Do Cult Terminators actually have the Mark of their God? I would think not, since the Mark of Tzeentch is that whole psychic test thing. The odd bit is that Berzerkers have +1 Attack (obviously NOT the Mark of Khorne) while Berzerker Terminators have +1 Strength (possibly the Mark???) A: They don't come with the Mark of their god. Q: If they do not come with the Mark, when I upgrade one Cult Terminator to an Aspiring Champion, do I need to buy him the Mark of Whatever to get the Gifts of that God? It never comes out and says they have Marks. A: Yes, you would have to buy them the Mark. Q: This is a big one. It seems pretty obvious that the Plague Marines do NOT have the Mark of Nurgle, Berzerkers do NOT have the Mark of Khorne, Noise Marines do NOT have the Mark of Slaanesh and Thousand Sons do NOT have the Mark of Tzeentch. This means that a Plague Marine Aspiring Champion not only _can_ buy the Mark of Nurgle, but in fact MUST buy it to get a Plague Sword or any other Nurgle Gift. Is this true (that these squads do NOT have actual Marks, but rather are just followers of that God)? A: Yes. The Aspiring champions are entitled to the mark and would have to pay for it, but if they do so they get the benefit on top of the stats listed in their entry. Q: Does a Chaos Dreadnought under Fire Frenzy still have to obey LoS rules? The Talos states that LoS still must be observed, the Dread does not. A: Yes. Q: It is my understanding that Chaos Gifts cannot be Master Crafted. They are not "weapons" or described, for example (with a Plague Sword), "as a power weapon" etc.. Am I understanding this correctly? A: Yes. Q: A Greater Daemon possesses a character that is part of a squad of 4 men. He appears, by definition, within 2" of someone else in the squad. If the squad fails its morale check for 25% casualties (he counts as a casualty - the champ that is - according to the Codex), must the Daemon run away with the squad? A: No. Q: What exactly can Chaos Dreadnoughts have for upgrades? Page 6: "All Chaos vehicles, apart from bikes and Dreadnoughts, can have the following extra equipment...." This list includes the Havoc Missile Launchers. A: Ignore any references outside the army lists as to which upgrades a vehicle can have. So, a Dreadnought can have anything in the armoury, as the limits in the armoury are ignored. Q: Do Noise Marine Terminators (from White Dwarf) get to mix weapons from Noise Marines and their own? For example, can I take 2 bolter bolters, 1 bolter-melta, 1 sonic blaster, 1 heavy flamer, & 3 blastmasters? A: No. They should substitute for the appropriate type of Terminator weapon. Q: Since we now understand that plague knives and plague swords are "gifts" and not "weapons" this means that: a) a Plague Marine with bolt
pistol and plague knife does NOT get the benefit of an extra
attack for having a pistol and close combat weapon Is this right? A: No. Simply don't allow them to be master-crafted (too much of a good thing!), but otherwise count them as weapons. Q: The description of Fleshy Curse (Chaos Codex, page29) says "..may use this..in the assualt phase instead of making his normal close combat attacks." Does this mean that the model had to be in an assualt to use the power at all? In other words, can the sorcerer use this power in assault phases where he is not actually fighting anyone? A: You do not have to be actully assulting in order to use the power, just within 2" of them. Q: Can a Chaos Sorcerer use the power Fleshy Curse in both players' assault phases, or just his own? A: The power may be used in any assault phase, not just the Sorcerer's own. Q: In White Dwarf 234 some changes were made to the Noise Marine Terminator rules. Doom Siren’s are gone. No point values are listed for Sonic Blasters and Blastmasters. Are they free upgrades now? A: Noise Marine weapon upgrades cost the number of points listed in WD230. Doom Sirens have been removed as they are included in the Wargear section. Q: Do Chaos Terminators get 2 attacks from their profile plus an extra from Terminator Armor? A: The extra attack is included in the profile and can't be taken again. Q: Can the Stream be used in both players’ assault phase? A: Again a quick look at the rule shows it says 'in the model's assault phase' it can use the the power - therefore it could only be used in the Chaos player’s assault phases. Q: Chaos Gifts and Rhinos - the Rhino description doesn't mention that it can get Chaos Gifts (only vehicle upgrades), but "Rhino" is mentioned with several gifts (Warp Amp, Destroyer). So...Can Rhinos get any Chaos Gifts? A: Yes they can get any/all of the upgrades. Q: A Demon Prince - does he always count as a Psyker, even if no powers are taken? A: A Daemon Prince does not count as a psyker unless he has psychic powers. Q: A Chaos Dreadnought that decides to shoot, and rolls up the "fire at closest target" result. When it shoots, would the closest target just be those in the front, or in any direction? You turn a vehicle in the movement phase, but we're not clear here on tracing LOS from the weapons. The Line of Sight stuff seems to show LOS being traced from the tip of the weapon barrel. Or should this be from the weapon joint? I guess bottom line here is would the Dread only be picking out the closest target in the front 180 degrees, or in any direction. His weapons seem fixed forward, with no pivoting like a sponson or turret weapon. A: Interesting question. We've always played that you simply measure to the closest target in any direction. In this case we don't worry too much about arcs of fire and such, it being a special case (i.e. the fact you must shoot at the closest target over-rides the normal rules). Q: Can a Demon Prince ride in any sort of a transport? It doesn't have to be a big model, so it could indeed fit in a Rhino/etc. A: A Daemon prince is a character and so can join a unit and ride along with them in their transport vehicle. Q: The wording in the description of the Plague Banner says "which may be cast once per battle." Is there any restriction on when during the battle you can do this? How would it affect combat resolution if you used it during the assault phase? A: Treat it as for the the Blasted Standard rules. Q: I have 2 units of Daemons A&B. I summoned A by my Terminator which landed by Deepstrike in turn 2. Now can I summon unit B by Unit A in the same turn? I just felt that it is way too much to my advantage because all 3 units are very close(assault range) to the enemy in turn 2! A: Looking at the rules, the daemons are simply rolled for as reserves, hence (in theory) any number of daemon packs could be summoned as long as the marker(s) are placed in contact with Chaos models which are already on the tabletop at the start of the assault phase. Q: Had an interesting question come up. Can a chaos Champion with a Beast of Nurgle ride in a Transport with his 'pet'? A: I can't see a reason why not.
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